Zara Altaïr writes in The Mysteries of the Argolic traditional secrets set in ancient Italy under the rule of the Ostrogoths. She teaches mystery writers and novelists at Write A Killer Mystery. It creates semantic web content for a selected clientele. “Do you remember that all adults corrected grammar mistakes when they grew up? That`s really how it went for me. I didn`t like it at the time, but now I`m grateful. In the public schools of the state where I live, sentence dissection is not taught. The same rules apply to sequencing when the “I” is the subject of a sentence. So, “I” always comes last with several objects. Is there a rule for determining the order of objects, that is, Jim sent the notification to me and Bob, or Jim sent the notification to Bob and me.
I believe there is a rule for subects that the person should be preferred, which is Bob and I against me and Bob. Your explanations of a simple question are so lame. We are not ALL geniuses! Not all of us have a degree in English grammar. Many of us have no degree. Can`t you just give an answer in simple terms? Maybe so, but “between you and me” is incompatible with the rule, since “I am the object of a preposition here. I hear so many “me against me” mistakes in movies and on TV. What for? Don`t professional writers know the simple rules of nominative and objective pronouns? Or do screenwriters shorten their dialogue because they think their audience is stupid or afraid to hear proper english spoken? Or what? I`m so tired of being forced into a terrible grammar about moviegoers and viewers. I find such grammatical errors similar (or worse than) scratching on a blackboard. Our rule 4 of the subject-verb agreement states, “Generally use a plural verb with two or more subjects if they are related to it and with it.” Compound nouns such as Bed and Breakfast are exceptions.
“My father and my friend” is not a compound noun. Therefore, the plural verb is correct. There were a lot of grammar rules. Now have fun with me, me and me from De La Soul. It is ok. It can sometimes be difficult for grammar embroiderers to hold their tongue. You may find our first article of 2016, Resolutions for Word Nerds, Interest. You said in a comment -âIn comparisons introduced by words such as or as, the case of a pronoun following the word comparative is determined by the fact that the pronoun completes a sentence omitted and understood. Therefore, we prefer `He is older than me`, which includes the omitted `I am old`: ¢He is older than me (I am old).- I will have to push away this thought.
What you call an “understood clause” is a hypothesis. According to all the teachers and professors I`ve had, as well as several professionals I`ve worked with, it`s wrong to assume anything. To better illustrate my view that an “included clause” is a failure in proper communication, let me share a cultural point. Where I live, it`s common to say, “I`m going to the store, do you want to go with me?” This is a complete thought and logical question based on the “understood clause” of “in the store”. I just told you where I`m going, and when I ask you if you want to accompany me, it`s a clear logic that I mean where I just told you I`m going. Where I live, we understand, if I tell someone I`m going to history that my question is related to this, it won`t be if you want to go to China with me. My brother came out of the state to go to college and was taught by other students who almost failed in their composition class that this sentence is grammatically incorrect. My brother`s classmates, after spending time with him, began to say in conversations, “Do you want to go with him?” My brother`s classmates didn`t forget their grammar lessons, but they did get to a point where there was a mutually understood clause (and here`s the keyword) that was omitted.
“Will you go with” is no more grammatically correct or educated than before, but has now been accepted by them because it has been understood by them. If there is no mutual understanding, there is confusion. I learned English, Spanish and German, which brings me in part to the question I want to ask you. If someone is not a native English speaker, perhaps a foreign diplomat or businessman, someone who has learned English as a second language but only uses it occasionally, what statement would be easier for him to understand: “He is older than me”, which is a complete thought, or “He is older than me”, that is incomplete, but you assume that there is an “included clause” with which the person you are talking may not understand that there is a clause in that sentence that has been omitted? Again, I`m not the subject and I`m not one of those state verbs. We must therefore use the object case. (For those of you with some grammar training, you and I are both objects of the preposition between the two in this sentence.) This rule exists in another authoritative source. According to the Chicago Manual of Style, Section 6.33, Commas with Coordinate Adjectives, “Usually, when a noun is preceded by two or more adjectives that could affect meaning without affecting meaning, adjectives are usually separated by commas. Such adjectives, called coordinate adjectives, can usually be reversed in order and always have meaning. In your example, “Felix was a lonely little boy” has the same meaning as “Felix was a lonely young boy.” When it comes to the pause in the sentence, not all commas imply a long pause. A slight pause between the two adjectives seems natural to me.
Looks like you came to our website looking for a simple answer. We prefer to help our readers understand the reasons why certain words are used so that they can use them correctly in the future. Whether you like it or not, the way one person speaks and writes makes an impression on others. Of course, TV shows don`t always represent good grammar. To answer your question without “unnecessary information”: Neither sentence is correct. Remember that all adults corrected grammar errors when they were growing up? That`s really how it went for me. I didn`t like it at the time, but now I`m grateful. In public schools in the state where I live, sentence dissection is not taught. The whole phenomenon of language as a method of teaching is a total misstep. No phonetics, no spelling tests, the idea is as long as the student understands what he reads or writes is learned. That`s half the goal and our colleges and universities don`t know what to do with these kids. Just my opinion.
Feel free to correct my mistakes! Because we don`t talk that way, we can`t use our ear to help us with this rule. This is a good time to discuss the difference between spoken and written language, especially when it comes to tests and formal articles. We speak informally, but we need to write more formally. Honestly, when I knock on someone`s door and I`m asked, “Who is this?” I`m not going to say, “It`s me,” lest the person on the other side of the door think I`m weird and never open. However, if I take a review or write a report, I will try to detect these state verbs and check my use of the pronoun. Am I grammatically correct with the following sentence? This is very confusing because that is not the way I would speak, but with the rules I have been taught, it should be correct in writing. I`m so glad to see the comment that the deterioration in grammar is at least partly due to poorly written newspaper articles and websites. I wonder how long I should “fight”, especially the frequent failure to use the nominative predicate (that was it). I have a university-aged daughter whose English teacher says that sometimes incorrect grammar becomes “correct” through use. “The language is changing, Mom,” I am told. But NOT in writing, I say! The rule that you should only “call yourself me if you are the only person” is wrong. For example, in the phrase “I intend to go to the movies tomorrow,” no other person is mentioned, and the word I am used because I refer to a subject pronoun.
In your other sentence “This is a picture of Jay and me”, the object pronoun me is used because it is the object of the preposition of. Subject/object rules from above still apply, even if they refer to multiple people. Below are two tips to help you avoid this common grammar mistake in me/myself/I. We need to separate formal English grammar from informal spoken English. Yes, between is a preposition, but as is formally considered a conjunction. You can often hear “She`s older than me” in the language, but this would be considered wrong by most critics and editors in written form. Well, this next rule is difficult because it doesn`t seem right to most of us.